Comments on: Peering into the finer details of hydrogen fuel cells for trucks and busses https://www.electronicsweekly.com/news/design/test-and-measurement-2/peering-finer-details-hydrogen-fuel-cells-trucks-busses-2021-09/ Electronics Design & Components Tech News Thu, 16 Sep 2021 16:13:20 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.2.2 https://www.electronicsweekly.com/wp-content/themes/ew/images/logo.gif Electronics Weekly https://www.electronicsweekly.com/news/design/test-and-measurement-2/peering-finer-details-hydrogen-fuel-cells-trucks-busses-2021-09/ 125 75 Electronics Design & Components Tech News By: Steve Bush https://www.electronicsweekly.com/news/design/test-and-measurement-2/peering-finer-details-hydrogen-fuel-cells-trucks-busses-2021-09/#comment-1305540 Thu, 16 Sep 2021 16:13:20 +0000 https://www.electronicsweekly.com/?p=779782#comment-1305540 In reply to Mike Bryant.

Thanks Mike
I am going to bear all this in mind next time I get to talk to someone about fuel cells – armed with questions about weight and dynamic properties.

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By: Mike Bryant https://www.electronicsweekly.com/news/design/test-and-measurement-2/peering-finer-details-hydrogen-fuel-cells-trucks-busses-2021-09/#comment-1305512 Thu, 16 Sep 2021 12:27:40 +0000 https://www.electronicsweekly.com/?p=779782#comment-1305512 In reply to Steve Bush.

Fuel cell/electric motor pairings are more efficient than turbines, but only at the cost of using huge amounts of precious metals. Also as there is a small lag in fuel cell output, you either have to store that energy in a battery (more lithium) or dissipate it. Thus the cost is higher, and you are having to continually accelerate and brake a lot more weight, which is often the largest use of fuel anyway. In the meantime, a simple hydrogen turbine is very low weight, and heat engines are getting more and more efficent.

Of course as hydrogen is a totally green energy source once production is ramped up, some wastage will be acceptable in either of the above, and then lower system cost will probably dominate.

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By: Steve Bush https://www.electronicsweekly.com/news/design/test-and-measurement-2/peering-finer-details-hydrogen-fuel-cells-trucks-busses-2021-09/#comment-1305508 Thu, 16 Sep 2021 11:12:16 +0000 https://www.electronicsweekly.com/?p=779782#comment-1305508 In reply to Mike Bryant.

Morning Mr Bryant
Oh dear, are fuel cells that inefficeint?
Part of the naivety I mentiond to Steve Kurt, was that I assumed that the second law of thermodynamics put heat engines at a disadvantage compared with fuel cells.

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By: Steve Bush https://www.electronicsweekly.com/news/design/test-and-measurement-2/peering-finer-details-hydrogen-fuel-cells-trucks-busses-2021-09/#comment-1305507 Thu, 16 Sep 2021 11:08:58 +0000 https://www.electronicsweekly.com/?p=779782#comment-1305507 In reply to Steve Kurt.

Morning Mr Kurt
I was like you, and realised I was fuel-cell-naive after I heard about this research.
Clever stuff.

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By: Mike Bryant https://www.electronicsweekly.com/news/design/test-and-measurement-2/peering-finer-details-hydrogen-fuel-cells-trucks-busses-2021-09/#comment-1305504 Thu, 16 Sep 2021 10:50:40 +0000 https://www.electronicsweekly.com/?p=779782#comment-1305504 Last century’s technology yesterday. Hydrogen turbines outperform any fuel cell based application as far lower cost (fewer exotic metals), lower weight (no electric motor) and system simplicity (no balancing/storage of energy between fuel cell and drive)

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By: Steve Kurt https://www.electronicsweekly.com/news/design/test-and-measurement-2/peering-finer-details-hydrogen-fuel-cells-trucks-busses-2021-09/#comment-1305418 Wed, 15 Sep 2021 18:04:06 +0000 https://www.electronicsweekly.com/?p=779782#comment-1305418 Hadn’t thought about modeling fuel cells before, but I can see the value. A long time ago, I was designing a charger for large nicad batteries. I was happy that there were some reasonable models for nicads that I could tweak for my use. Much better to run simulations than to have to deal with the slow changes in battery state, as well as the possibility of things going wrong when the charge or discharge rates are exceeded!

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